After a long and hectic wait, the Government of Punjab has issued notification no. FD. PC. 40-43/2017(E) dated 14.12.2018 in which all the computer personnel of Punjab has been upgraded to their new scales. This notification has also described the service structure for them. This is a remarkable step for shaping the service structure for the IT-related staff of the government of Punjab.
Many government departments have upgraded their computer staff upon this notification. But due to the vagueness of this notification, it was not adopted in many other departments of Punjab. All these departments have asked the finance department to get this notification to clarify. Many departments refused to upgrade their staff by saying that they did not get any proper advice from their head offices. So, they are not willing to upgrade the computer personnel.
Since 14 December 2018, so many departments had written to the finance department about the clarification but they did not reply to them as quickly as demanded. But now after 6 months of a long wait, the finance department has issued the clarification for notification.
So, let’s have look at the clarification.
according to the first point of this clarification, the seats that had not been mentioned in that 14 December 2018 notification but they are related to a computer also come under the shade of up-gradation according to prescribed qualification and experience.
The second point clarifies that all the up-gradation and promotion will be done on the basis of qualification. For example, if a person holds an intermediate degree at the time of recruitment and now is a graduate with 4 months of computer training so he’ll be upgraded to the 15th scale as a computer operator. And those who are recruited on graduation level and also have 3 years of work experience on this post will be upgraded to the 16th scale from the date of issuance of this notification.
The third point is that the re-structuring of such posts from now on will be considered as per the qualification mentioned against each post in the 14 December 2018 notification.
The fourth point clarifies that where only one tier is available for promotion or up-gradation it will be done on regular 8 years of service. For example, if a person is now upgraded in the 16th scale and now has only one tier of grade 17 above him, so he must have to complete the 8 years of service on this 16th scale seat to be considered.
The fifth and final point says that where more than one tier is available then the up-gradation will be done on the prescribed qualification as per the notification.
For example, there are two people. One is working in the same post for 3 years and also he is recruited at the graduation level then according to this notification and clarification he will be upgraded on the 16th scale.
And the other person who is recruited on the same qualification but did not complete the 3 years of service on the same post on the date of issuance of the notification of 14 December 2018 will be upgraded on the 15th scale.
You can download the Up-gradation Notification of 14 December 2018 of computer personnel along with clarification notification dated 24.07.2019 of the Finance Department by clicking here.
So, now this clarification has cleared the minds of many people including the Heads of the government departments of Punjab. Now if someone has any query or question regarding this clarification and up-gradation of computer personnel he can ask in the comment section below.
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I am working as Assistant Computer Programming (BPS-16). The Government of the Punjab Finance Department issued the notification No. FD PC 40-43/2017(E) dated 14th December 2018 for upgradation to computer personnel. My cadre that is Assistant Computer Programmer has not mentioned in the given notification. It is requested in your honour, in which place I will fall according to the given notification. Guide me please.
Dear brother the word computer personnel is mentioned on the notification. Which means every person who is working on a computer working a related job. Since if you are computer personnel and have completed the minimum year’s experience on this job as per the notification you are eligible for up-graduation. If not then you are not eligible.
سر ہو سکتا ہے کہ میں اپنے پوائنٹ آف ویو بتانے میں قاصر ہوں کی آپ اپنا سیل نمبر دے سکتے ہیں
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Sir I have 9 & half year experience as computer operator bs 14 and 2 & half year experience as assistant computer programmer bs 16. I had higher qualification as m.sc. at the time of selection as well as promotion as assistant computer programmer. Am I eligible for upgradation or not.
The promotion you have got is already higher. You will not go to 17 Scale after 8 years as per notification. But as you know the departments have some time issues with promotion / up-gradation so you should also consult your department.
Sir, the employees were got promotion as superintendent in bs-16 was already higher but they were upgraded in bs-17. Why other cadres have not right for upgradation in bs 17?
Dear brother this is the cader of Computer personals. It is different from others. The best answer to your question can be given by the Finance Department and the heads of your own government Departments. That, why they have not treated everyone equally? I am just trying to convey to you the rules mentioned in the notification so that you can get a guide from it. May Allah Bless you more.
Sir, thank u so much.
You are always welcome Brother.
Sir, I have 12 years experience as computer personnel. Nine & half year experience as computer operator bs 14 and two & half year experience as assistant computer programmer bs 16. I had higher qualification as M.Sc in relevant subject at the time of selection as computer operator in feb. 2008 while the post of computer operator was advertised on BA/B.Sc & one year computer diploma basis. After that I was promoted as assistant computer programmer bs 16 in October 2017. I have not availed any upgradation in my 12 years service. Computer personnel are upgraded first time in punjab according to 14-12-2018 notification. As per notification MA/M.Sc qualification is required for fresh appointment as Programme bs 17. Please guide me, whether I am eligible for upgradation on the basis of M.Sc qualification & experience or not?
Subject: Request for Guidance Regarding Time Scale Promotion for Officer having Stagnant Post
Mr. ABC was appointed in BS-17 in an Autonomous organization following Punjab Government Rules on 22-06-1995; He has been serving in the same scale for the last 24 years without any promotion in service. He is working against one tier, stagnant post which has no line of promotion in upper tier in Service Rules or that organization.
Finance Department Notification No. FD.PC 40-12/2017, dated 19-04-2019 Para 1 (ii) allowed Time Scale Promotion “to officers in BS-16 and above having stagnant posts may also be allowed Time Scale Promotion on completion of 10 years satisfactory service twice in their entire service” w.e.f. 01-02-2019.
The FD clarification letter No. FD.PC 40-12/2017(834/10), dated 07-10-2019 depict “that two consecutive steps Time Scale Promotion are admissible to the officers in officers in BS-16 and above having stagnant posts on completion of 20 years regular service w.e.f. 01-02-2019 in accordance with Para 1(ii) of Finance Department vide Notification No. FD.PC 40-12/2017, dated 19-04-2019.”
FD further Clarified on 03-02-2020 that” It is clarified that the case of an employee who is appointed against a post having no upper tier /line of promotion by initial appointment would be dealt in accordance with Para 1(ii) of Finance Department vide Notification No. FD.PC 40-12/2017, dated 19-04-2019.
In the light of FD notification & its clarification letters of even no. dated 07-10-2019 and dated 3-02-2020, please advice, that how many steps of time scale promotion would be admissible to the officer working against one tier, stagnant post for more than 24 years regular service, the officer claims two steps?
Note: (These notifications have been adopted & approved by the Board of Governors of that organization)
Dear Shahid Brother, as far as your 1st Paragraph is concerned, I don’t know the service rules of that department, but rules say that if one level promotion rule is there then the eligible person must be promoted.
As far as your 2nd Paragraph is concerned, related to time scale promotion, Yes every person who is appointed on a stagnant post is allowed time scale promotion of 1 scale above after each 10 years service twice in his career. Your 3rd paragraph is alow answered in the above lines.
As far as your 4th paragraph is concerned, regarding (Notification No. FD.PC 40-12/2017, dated 19-04-2019.) time scale promotion is that Whenever a person is promoted to higher scale his service is considered fresh regarding his next promotion or next tier. Similarly, the person who is doing a job for more than 24 years must be promoted to BS 18 first and he will is not eligible to get 2 promotions at the same time. HE first gets the 18th scale and then undergoes the 10 years service again to get the next 19th scale.
Must Note that: If a autonomous body adopts all the rules of Punjab government it doesn’t mean he will follow it. That’s why it is called autonomous body that if he thinks fit he can adopt all and can give all benefits and if he thinks otherwise then you cannot challenge the organization but to request or by filing suit against the organization. Because it’s your right. Then court may ask you why you are sleeping for 24 years why not you came here after your first 10 years of service or when the rules were framed regarding your promotion. So that person have to analyze all these things. As far as the promotion is concerned he will get one promotion at a time. Because it is not mentioned anywhere that this person who are not promoted from 17 to 18 after 10 years will get 19 after 20 years. I hope this may help you.
Sir I ask that I am appointment on the basis of intermediate qualification in Bs 10 and have no.upper tier for promotion. Therefore I submitted application in my department first granting redesignate in b.s. 12 and second step time scale promotion because I earned more than 8 years service at my credit sir my service regularized on 14/10/2009. Sir it is further submitted that now I am master decree holder and also possess computer language course. Sir how can I convinced my seniors with solid evidence and documents please sir help me
You don’t need to convince. Take this promotion notification and as well as department re-designation notification, like the judiciary local government and the health department. Present it in front of your office and asked them to redesign you in your newly respective designation according to this new finance department notification. Because all of the persons who are working as a computer operator for the many years they are being re-designed. So do this like I said or whatever method you preferred. I hope this will help you a lot.
Sir I need proof of recent orders of b.s. 11 to 15 of other departments please sir provide me some evidence recent issue notification by other municipal corporation and local government offices from b.s. 11 to 15
Dear brother, You don’t need proof because it is a fact now that many departments have upgraded their computer operators.
Please anyone tell me I am working as computer operator in b.s. 10 since 2007 I demanded b.s. 15 please some one help me in my case matter
Dear brother, if your qualification is above intermediate then write an application to your head of the department and ask for your up-gradation according to the latest notification of Finance Deptt. regarding Computer Operator.
Kpk upgraded & re-designated the post of assistant programmer bs-16 to bs-17 as assistant director. Is punjab govt. Upgraded & re-designated the post of assistant computer programmer or not.
They did not as a whole but partially. In some departments they upgraded and in many departments, the employees are still fighting for promotion.
Is punjab govt. Upgraded & re-designated assistant computer programmer or not.
Yes brother, in some departments but not in all departments.
can you guide me the names of departments in the punjab where it has been upgraded?
Dear brother we came to know that there are health departments, education departments, and judiciary departments who have upgraded their DEOs to the next computer operator category.
Sir my question is where is the upgradation of bs-16 computer officers having master degree qualification as per computer personnel notification.
There are so many departments who upgraded their DEOs to senior computer operator bs 16. Especially the Health department. And those who were working as computer operator bs 14 or BS 15 they are promoted bs 16.
Bhai kya ap ko koi cheez mili hai jis me computer office BS-16 ko BS-17 me upgrade kiya ho. aur ye computer office BS-16 kis department me hote hain
Dear brother we know about the Health department in which the post of Computer operator BS-12 was upgraded to BS-16. But we never come accross any post which is upgraded from BS-16 to the BS-17 as computer operator.
Dear Admin please confirm that computer operator who have possessed qualification intermediate are eligible for time scale promotion as computer operator bs-15
Dear brother, No if a person still has only Intermediate then he is not. Until he got the graduation degree. Because the minimum eligibility now to get in BS 15 is graduation plus 4 months diploma in computer. It will get time scale promotion after 8 years of service in BS 12 with intermediate.
OK Brother its mean he can get time scale promotion BS-15 after 8 years of service in BS-12 with Intermediate
From now on to get up-gradation / promotion you have to get a Graduation degree + 4 months of diploma in computer science.
Dear Admin my question is that If a person was appointed on the prescribed qualification of intermediate against the post of computer operator bs-11 in 2009 on regular basis, while his possessed qualification is also Intermediate. is he eligible to upgrade as computer operator bs-15 and shall he eligible for time scale promotion after each 8 years of regular service.
Dear brother one thing to be noted here. If you were hired on inter base in 2009 and if now you have acquired the Bachelor degree and also completed 3-year service on this scale (which you have done) then you are eligible for BS 15.
Will I get time scale promotion?
Yes if you complete the minimum promotion criteria as described in Notification.
Dear sir minimum criteria kya ha smaj nh a rahi?
Notification mein minimum critrria kitna dia gya ha?
Dear brother minimum requirement is: Graduation + 3 Year Service as Computer operator if you want to go in BS 16.
kia ye notification tmam departments for example Health department pe bhi lagu hota hai ??
Yes, brother.
Dear Admin my question is that If a person was appointed on the prescribed qualification of intermediate against the post of computer operator bs-12 in 2014 while his possessed qualification is graduation. is he eligible to upgrade as computer operator bs-15 or shall we wait for the completion of 8 years for time scale promotion.
Dear brother if he has attained the Graduation now and also has completed 3 years in service then he is eligible for BS 15.
Respected Sir, one question creates ambiguity that if one officer is upgraded in BPS-16 and enjoying DPO cadre (Data Processing Officer), whether is next promotion / up-gradation in BPS-17 would be due after three years after serving as DPO in BPS-16 ?
Please Clarify.
Dear brother according to notification when there is one stage available as you said you are already in BS 16 then now you have to complete 8 years on this seat for next time scale promotion.
I had been working as computer operator (BPS-14) since 04 April 2000. In October 2017, I was promoted as Assistant Computer Programmer (BPS-16). In December 2018, Government of the Punjab Finance Department issued the notification. My cadre that is Assistant Computer Programmer does not lie in the given notification. I am M.Phil in Computer Science. It is requested in your honour, in which place I will fall according to the given notification.
Dear brother as you said you are already working in BS-16 and you are already an Assistant Computer Programmer then according to this notification of computer personnel you will fall in BS-17 after completing successful 8 years of service after 14.12.2018. This is the sad reality that the Finance department has neglected about the current job experience and he had made every job designation according to current notification eligibility and education. which is BA/BCS for computer personnel. So it is more likely that you will be promoted after 8 years in this scenario. But if the finance department issues some other clarification then the scene could be different.
Mr. ABC was appointed in a Punjab Govt. office as Computer Programmer (BS-17) on 22-06-1995. Since than he has been serving for more than 24 years 3 months in BS-17 in the same scale without any promotion in service. He is working against one tier, stagnant post which has no line of promotion in service structure.
Whereas the Government of the Punjab, Finance Department has up-graded computer personnel posts along with incumbents vide Notification No. FD.PC 40-43/2017(E), dated 14th December 2018. The post of Programmer is mentioned at Sr. No. 4 and Para 1 (v) which explicitly says that “Where only one tier is available, the incumbent of such posts would be allowed time scale promotion in higher scales as indicated above after each eight years.”
Is this notification applicable to him for grant of time scale promotion? if yes than for how many steps?
Dear brother, I will explain to you the current scenario of this notification and as well as the implementation of this in many departments. See Now the thing is this computer programmer has served so many years and after this notification of 14.12.2018 the new era of promotion is started with the date of 14.12.2018. Now in that notification, there is nothing mention about the computer programmer who is already in BS-17 or above with minimum or maximum job experience. They give the time scale promotion for those of Data Entry Operators / Computer Operators after every 3 years until there is only one tier available to that promotion and the last tier will be promoted after 8 years of regular service, this is one thing. Now come to the computer programmer who is already serving in BS-17 under Punjab Government, with the date of 14.12.2018 all those computer programmers must complete their 8 years of service before getting up-gradation into BS-18. Finance Department has neglected the previous service of those of Computer Operators / Data Entry Operators as well as Computer programmers. I’ll give you an example of DEOs posted in many Department of Punjab who also have successfully completed the 3 years of service and are eligible for BS-16 but in the latest clarification of Finance Department, they only allocated them into the new post from DEO 11-to BS-14 to with graduation into Computer operator BS-15. They are not posted in BS-16 according to graduation as well as 3 years of experience. So now for getting the BS-16 they have to complete the 3 years of service from 14.12.2018. So this is the same scenario with the Computer Programmer.
Jinab ma azad Kashmir se belong krta hn aur graduation 1st division ki hwi ha aj ki tareekh tk 12 sal 6 mahina ho chke hn plz mje b guide krn mje b koi time scale ka fayda ho ga aur kon sa scale mile ga. Plz guide me.
Muhammad Waheed Khan
Computer operator B-12
AJK-TEVTA
Brother this notification is only for Punjab Employees. In Azad Kashmir maybe you have your service structure if yes then contact with your accounts department. And if not then try to move some other post which jis ka service structure mojood ho. because computer operator ki post mostly upgrade kam he hoti he bus jis seat par bharti hota he wohi reh jata. So better to move on some other post like Stenographer or Assistant both are good jobs. If you still need any help you can ask again.
second In clarification the revised prescribed qualification may be considered for up-gradation for example if a person recruited on the basis of intermediate, now he has graudation+4month computer language courses . so where he fall his grade 12 or 15?
Third in clarification restructuring the post with existing prescribed qualification what is the means of existing prescribed qualification. Is means that at the time of recruitment the existing qualification? Or is means that now he has now existing qualification?
Third in clarification what is the means possessed of qualification. Is means that the qualification at the time of recruitment base or he has now existing qualification?
Dear Brother! First, If the current post you are working on, the required qualification for this was Intermediate then your revised post name is Junior Computer Operator and will remain in BPS-12. Second, IF now you are Graduated with minimum 4 months of computer training then after this notification your post will be redesigned as Computer Operator BPS-15. Third, The existing prescribed qualification means that from now on the minimum qualification for these post will be the revised qualification for the fresh appointment, promotion.
Fourth, possessed qualification means the qualification an employee had at the time of recruitment. If you have still had a question you can ask freely.